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Title: Index of The Tenets
Post by: URX on June 10, 2010, 07:48:58 PM
This is just an index of all these wonderful tenent threads that people have made.  


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The one that started it all.  Cpt NSSB's Vulcans Tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,524.0.html)
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Click, Click, Boom!  The Raider Tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1082.0.html)
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Give 'em the Hose!  The Magstrike Tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1568.0.html)
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O'l Six Shooter.  The Maverick Tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1578.0.html)
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The Longshot Tenets: Nuff Said. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1580.0.html)
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Bread and Butter: The Nitefinder/PistolSplat Tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1581.0.html)
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Hit 'Em Hard, Hit 'Em Fast: The Berserker Creed. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1588.0.html)

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Shot through the heart: The blowgun tenets. (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1584.0.html)


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 Shock and Awe: The Stampede Tenets (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,2080.0.html)




Please let me know if I forgot one!  


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 10, 2010, 08:21:12 PM
Stickied.

I'm working on the Longshot one as we speak.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on June 10, 2010, 08:25:21 PM
Stickied.

A centralized place where anyone can check out the pros and cons and strategies of blasters they plan on buying? I approve! Well done good sir! The buying guide is very long, and while it has useful information, you can really get deep into what the blasters going to feel like with this. Very good idea!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 10, 2010, 09:27:36 PM
Longshot Tenet is up. Next up: Nitefinders and PistolSplats, oh my!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: ModgePodge on June 10, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
I'm interested to see a PistolSplat one.  I looked around for one while I was at Walmart the other day, but I couldn't find it.  Still not sure if I want to get one though since I don't know much about it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 10, 2010, 10:00:56 PM
I'm interested to see a PistolSplat one.  I looked around for one while I was at Walmart the other day, but I couldn't find it.  Still not sure if I want to get one though since I don't know much about it.

Target.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: jjj2576 on June 11, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
Is someone going to make Sock Tennets or should I? I mean, for the first 4 games I played, I only relied on socks.

-The Jese J. R. Jennings (SRU Moderator & Sock-Craftsman)


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on June 11, 2010, 01:20:59 PM
Is someone going to make Sock Tennets or should I? I mean, for the first 4 games I played, I only relied on socks.

-The Jese J. R. Jennings (SRU Moderator & Sock-Craftsman)

First come first serve. Go right ahead. Do work good son!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: jjj2576 on June 11, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
If no one has it done by next week, then I'll jump on it. I am out of town currently.

-The Jesse J. R. Jennings (SRU Moderator & Explorer)


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Greg G (Pyro) on June 11, 2010, 01:46:52 PM
Would anyone want a furyfire one? i use it, but i'm not sure if people would actually read it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: jjj2576 on June 11, 2010, 01:49:40 PM
The more tennets we have on this board will only make it better. Who knows? Perhaps your Furyfire tennets will make someone buy one.

-The Jesse J. R. Jennings (SRU Moderator & LOLerskater)


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Greg G (Pyro) on June 11, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
I'll do that then....thanks  ;D


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 11, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
I'll do that then....thanks  ;D

I can add a hyperfire section to it. They are very similar, but there are a few subtle differences.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Mzzkc on June 15, 2010, 12:32:41 AM
I did a Berserker one (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1588.0.html) and tried being creative with the naming, but apparently no one knows that "creed" is a synonym for "tenet" (http://thesaurus.com/browse/tenet). =P


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 15, 2010, 12:46:49 AM
I did a Berserker one (http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,1588.0.html) and tried being creative with the naming, but apparently no one knows that "creed" is a synonym for "tenet" (http://thesaurus.com/browse/tenet). =P

Added.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: The Red Scare on June 15, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
I'd like to remind everybody that the whole purpose of these lists of tenets is to help people be better HvZ users of the blasters at-hand.  As such, I hope you all put A LOT of thought and effort into these things.  Please make it as readable and understandable as possible.  Further, if you don't feel like a solid veteran of a specific blaster/armament, then you probably aren't the person who needs to be writing the list for that one.  Be honest enough with yourself to admit when somebody else could probably do it better.

At the same point in time, people who are solid veterans of specific armaments should be open enough with each other to not get grabby.  Please share, collaborate, and even respectfully debate with each other.  I also think that it's a good idea to limit yourselves to one tenet list per person, just to give more people chances to contribute.  It would even be awesome if we were all cool with other people adding potential tenets to the lists (though I'd hope this last one would be a given).

I just see the above enthusiasm for writing these things as a bit worrisome.  DO NOT GET ME WRONG, I'm happy to see people excited about this type of thread (Capt. NSSB would be thrilled that the concept took-off)... but I don't want people to get overzealous with it and run the whole thing down-hill.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Greg G (Pyro) on June 17, 2010, 10:03:47 AM
Steve, you think Nick, Rich and I are Vet. enough to write a Tenet?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: skullface1818 on June 17, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
I think someone forgot the blowgun tenets :P


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: The Red Scare on June 17, 2010, 11:09:51 AM
Steve, you think Nick, Rich and I are Vet. enough to write a Tenet?

That's a good question, but it's ultimately up to you to decide.  If you're talking about the Fury Fire, I know of nobody better at BGSU to write such a thread (except, maybe, it'd be good to get some thoughts from Arizona).  If you're talking about some other blaster, I don't really know, as I've only seen you guys murder zeds with FFs, lately.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Greg G (Pyro) on June 17, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
That's a good question, but it's ultimately up to you to decide.  If you're talking about the Fury Fire, I know of nobody better at BGSU to write such a thread (except, maybe, it'd be good to get some thoughts from Arizona).  If you're talking about some other blaster, I don't really know, as I've only seen you guys murder zeds with FFs, lately.

Its gonna be the furyfire. And as good as Zona is....he's still pretty green. We'll get jesup in on it this weekend too.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cpt NSSB on June 17, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
Steve, you hit it right on the head with that statement. I just finished reading through all of these tenets and I am so happy that other people have taken up the good work! Every one of these Tenets is a work of art by its own rights. Congrats are in order for everyone who has helped write/critic/update the tenets. Who knows, maybe one day there will be a HvZ strategy guide with each of these included. Wouldn't that be something? XD


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 17, 2010, 10:51:36 PM
Steve, you hit it right on the head with that statement. I just finished reading through all of these tenets and I am so happy that other people have taken up the good work! Every one of these Tenets is a work of art by its own rights. Congrats are in order for everyone who has helped write/critic/update the tenets. Who knows, maybe one day there will be a HvZ strategy guide with each of these included. Wouldn't that be something? XD

Some guys at A&M are working on a full length movie with a sequal and a crowdsourced novel.

Anyway, a strategy guide sounds good.

On a similar note, NerfHQ's Tactics section has some stuff which may or may not apply to HvZ.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Jeo on June 18, 2010, 01:35:40 AM
Happy to come up with a Tommy20 one over the weekend.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: better_dead_than_zed on June 23, 2010, 11:15:27 PM
URX, I left you a message in my DS tenet.

EDIT:
Don't forget to add the RFT tenet.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: GirWaffles64 on June 26, 2010, 01:13:48 AM
Happy to come up with a Tommy20 one over the weekend.

Doing it right now.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: boothhenry1 on June 26, 2010, 01:39:50 AM
girwaffles. Knowing for a fact you got your first Tommy20 two weeks ago, and haven't used it in a game yet, maybe we should share the fun and power of writing tenets?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: GirWaffles64 on June 26, 2010, 01:55:53 AM
D: Screw you.

Fine... how?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: One Winged Angel on June 26, 2010, 02:11:05 AM
Fine... how?

As in share the power of the Tenets with someone who attends a University, and plays against college level zombies. Imagine it like so, a noob unlocks the ACR in MW2 and proceeds to post a "OMG da ACR is sooo awseom" "review" on youtube, and a 4th Prestige uploads a review of the ACR as well. Who's review is going to be of better quality and have more useful information available to the viewer?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on June 26, 2010, 02:12:52 AM
Honestly, these things are kinda open-source. If an improvement comes along, we can just stick it in.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: GirWaffles64 on June 26, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
As in share the power of the Tenets with someone who attends a University, and plays against college level zombies. Imagine it like so, a noob unlocks the ACR in MW2 and proceeds to post a "OMG da ACR is sooo awseom" "review" on youtube, and a 4th Prestige uploads a review of the ACR as well. Who's review is going to be of better quality and have more useful information available to the viewer?

I'm sorry, are you calling me a noob?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: The Red Scare on June 26, 2010, 04:17:41 AM
D: Screw you.
I'm sorry, are you calling me a noob?

Tell me, Mr. Waffles... are you always this pleasant on civilized forums?  Just chill, please.

Also, people need to be adult enough to realize when there are better people for given tasks.  While there may be no official forum rules about who can/cannot or should/should not be posting tenet threads, WE are supposed to be the ones mature enough to admit when there are better people to be writing them.  Just as a hint to everybody, if you just got your blaster two weeks ago, and you've never used it in a game... the best person to write the tenet list probably isn't you!  I'm sorry if that's like a sock to the gut for your pride, but that's just the reality of the situation....

These are community resources being posted for community use by community members... and decent community members don't bicker over important things.  Leave that bullshit to the government! ;D


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: GirWaffles64 on June 26, 2010, 04:28:33 AM
Tell me, Mr. Waffles... are you always this pleasant on civilized forums?  Just chill, please.

Also, people need to be adult enough to realize when there are better people for given tasks.  While there may be no official forum rules about who can/cannot or should/should not be posting tenet threads, WE are supposed to be the ones mature enough to admit when there are better people to be writing them.  Just as a hint to everybody, if you just got your blaster two weeks ago, and you've never used it in a game... the best person to write the tenet list probably isn't you!  I'm sorry if that's like a sock to the gut for your pride, but that's just the reality of the situation....

These are community resources being posted for community use by community members... and decent community members don't bicker over important things.  Leave that bullshit to the government! ;D

The screw you was a joking around thing. Booth and I are close friends in real life.

And being adult? PPF. I'm 11.

But let's get back on topic, shall we?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: hellonowdie on June 26, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
And being adult? I'm 11.
11, eh? you aren't alone. i got a recon a month ago, havn't used it much, going to screw around with it and see whats good or bad. if i get enough info, im gonna make a tenet for it. wish me luck!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: GirWaffles64 on June 26, 2010, 01:21:23 PM
11, eh? You aren't alone. I got a recon a month ago, haven't used it much, going to screw around with it and see what's good or bad. If I get enough info, I'm gonna make a tenet for it. Wish me luck!

Cool! We need a Recon tenet.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: LuckyTheMerc on July 02, 2010, 12:15:08 PM
agreeed. ^


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: better_dead_than_zed on July 05, 2010, 11:16:10 AM
11, eh? you aren't alone. i got a recon a month ago, havn't used it much, going to screw around with it and see whats good or bad. if i get enough info, im gonna make a tenet for it. wish me luck!

HOLD YOUR HORSES! If you have only had your recon for a month, I don't think you have had enough time to learn everything about it. Give it sometime. Wait a couple months before you post a tenet.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on July 05, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
HOLD YOUR HORSES! If you have only had your recon for a month, I don't think you have had enough time to learn everything about it. Give it sometime. Wait a couple months before you post a tenet.

My Recon crapped out on me after my older bro shoved the clip in with out cocking back. I've had it less than a month. It never saw a game of HvZ.  :'( Poor little thing, Rest in piece/s  ::)


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Newbs on July 06, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
If my siblings break my stuff, they pay for it :( tough luck.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on July 06, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
If my siblings break my stuff, they pay for it :( tough luck.

He's 24 and has real firearms. I'm 16 and only have a few different clubs and swords.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: alax on July 07, 2010, 09:13:35 PM
agreeed. ^

same here

ill tell you right now a lot of people may complain about jamming problems but the only time mine has jammed was when my cousin was firing it but its fixed now and personally ive never had any nerf guns jam on me

the recons is a better gun than people give it credit for being

once we get one up il most likely add to it


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Newbs on July 08, 2010, 03:10:22 PM
Recons have never jammed when I've used them. The only time I've seen them jam is when bent darts are put into the clip, and when the slide is not pulled backwards or forwards fully.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: URX on July 09, 2010, 07:30:47 AM
I had one jam while I was facing a single Zed on the flank of a training mission.  I shall never trust a clip-system blaster again.  EVER.  It's Tek-6s, RF20s, Magstrikes and socks from here on out!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Vonpoppm on July 12, 2010, 01:46:09 AM
A jam is the result of user error. Treat your gun right and use it properly and it will not jam. Slamfiring a maverick or recon will jam it, it's not made for this.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: URX on July 12, 2010, 07:38:19 AM
I didn't slam fire it, I primed it like you're supposed to and it made a "splut" noise and didn't shoot. 


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Markus on July 19, 2010, 09:07:08 AM
Hey, I just figured I'd give people a heads up as to the fact that I'm writing an omnitenet guide to HvZ equipment, and possibly also a battle doctrine guide. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to help, just send me a PM.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Underthecoverofnight on August 14, 2010, 12:14:30 AM
I've been using a recon for the past two years since i started playing and have toyed with several basic (and a few pretty ridiculous) mods for it. unless anyone is working on it already i'd be down for writing a recon tenet.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Underthecoverofnight on August 14, 2010, 12:21:11 AM
Hey, I just figured I'd give people a heads up as to the fact that I'm writing an omnitenet guide to HvZ equipment, and possibly also a battle doctrine guide. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to help, just send me a PM.

if you need some help with this i'd be happy to join in.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Doctor Zedacon on August 29, 2010, 05:46:25 AM
A jam is the result of user error. Treat your gun right and use it properly and it will not jam. Slamfiring a maverick or recon will jam it, it's not made for this.
Yeah, I've only jammed my Recon twice, and both times were because I was in such a rush that I forgot to let off the trigger and jammed it up.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on September 03, 2010, 10:59:34 PM
So, I supposed this wasn't worth a necro or it's own topic, so I got so PVC for a blow gun today at my local hardware store. They sold it in 10 ft incriments. I told him I wanted 1/2 inch PVC with one four foot peice, and 2 three foot peices. Unfortunatly, he didn't let me in the back room to test it with a dart. On the road walking, I took out a dart and tried shuving it down, but it got stuck. I blew it out the other side using my choir boy skills. I was sad because from what I've heard, Taggers are the best, but I didn't have any on hand. I was using buzzbee stock darts. So I went to work anwsering questions about why there was PVC piping in the breakroom. When I got home at around 8:15, I tested it with a streamline dart. It fit relatively loosely so I was skeptical. When I fired it at the wall 15 feet away, it bounced back straight at me squarely hitting me in the chest. So, I believe I'll keep the four foot peice for now, and maybe use the other two for rebarreling. Thoughts? I'll run a few tests tomorrow to find maximum potential range. So far it's just a tube. My hand is really my mouth peice because I havn't washed the PVC yet. It is really fun using a blowgun. It adds a new element for the zombies to watch for, so I can wait to use it in a game.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on September 04, 2010, 01:38:43 AM
Words.

What is the brand on the pipe?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Blackbelt13 on September 04, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
What is the brand on the pipe?

Cresline. And breaking developement it takes the darts out of the scatter blast. I don't know if whatever brand makes it there darts are equivelent to Nerf Taggers. Either way I'll have to get some.

Edit: After testing, I've found with the regular darts, they can fly near 100 feet, with about 60 feet being the point where accuracy is lost on a moving zombie. I gave my friend a three footer to keep and we had a little skirmish. Unfortunatly I lost all the suction darts, and I'll probably go out to pick up some taggers before Halloween.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Newbs on September 19, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
Just wondering, is there a furyfire tenet? I'll be getting one soon, and was wondering what mods are possible, aside from the obvious AR removal.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: better_dead_than_zed on September 19, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
Just wondering, is there a furyfire tenet? I'll be getting one soon, and was wondering what mods are possible, aside from the obvious AR removal.
There is no FF tenet. You can replace the barrels with PETG.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Pointman9 on September 25, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
Stampede tenet?  I'd do one but I'm kind of new to this forum


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on September 25, 2010, 04:29:47 PM
It's been out for less then a month. Let's see it go through a game or 2 first.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Pointman9 on September 25, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Aight.  Mine has only been through one


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Heolfrig on September 30, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Completely unrelated, but is the Longshot picture not loading for anyone else?

Ozy Edit: Fixed It.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: sawmillseal on October 07, 2010, 11:40:42 AM
Stampede tenet?  I'd do one but I'm kind of new to this forum


Go ahead and do one if you have the knowledge. Everyone else seems afraid to break open the blaster they paid ungodly sums for without a proper guide beforehand.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on October 07, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
Go ahead and do one if you have the knowledge. Everyone else seems afraid to break open the blaster they paid ungodly sums for without a proper guide beforehand.

The tenets are not just about modding, but about using the blaster in general. The Stampede is a very new blaster, and has not seen too many games. Any tenet made now is going to have a lot of information which might prove to be false or misleading.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: sawmillseal on October 07, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
Well, from what I've seen of the stampede so far, it's fairly reliable, and it takes on quite a number of zombies with ease, the player using it just needs to be aware of their blind spots. Some of us were easily able to sneak up on a stampede user (mostly because of the amount noise this particular one made, as well as for the other zed heads attacking him). As for modding, I'm not sure it is quite worth the hassle unless you really want to, as the blaster is automated meaning it has parts specifically designed to work at a set rate and strength. Modding might damage it... LOL!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: catbarf on October 07, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
The problem with the Stampede is its rate of fire. For an automatic it's pretty slow, and most people with Raiders or Alpha Troopers can fire quicker than a stock Stampede. At our game I saw several Stampede users go down simply because they couldn't deal with more than a couple of zombies rushing at once, due to its rather poor range and accuracy. Once you increase the voltage, though, it becomes capable of dealing with hordes quite nicely, and a nice side effect is that the higher motor speed means less of a delay between trigger pull and firing.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Pointman9 on October 17, 2010, 03:30:14 PM
The problem with the Stampede is its rate of fire. For an automatic it's pretty slow, and most people with Raiders or Alpha Troopers can fire quicker than a stock Stampede. At our game I saw several Stampede users go down simply because they couldn't deal with more than a couple of zombies rushing at once, due to its rather poor range and accuracy. Once you increase the voltage, though, it becomes capable of dealing with hordes quite nicely, and a nice side effect is that the higher motor speed means less of a delay between trigger pull and firing.
So should we write one with collective grey matter or wait for some better modification possiblities?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Fungus Oz on October 18, 2010, 06:17:47 PM
I think the Stampede tenents should be added as well. They're very useful ;D


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Zompokkalipz on October 20, 2010, 04:01:11 AM
I think the Stampede tenents should be added as well. They're very useful ;D

Yes, they should be posted.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: registered zombie killer on November 10, 2010, 11:36:25 PM
No recon tenents?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: NerfNerd10 on November 11, 2010, 12:10:43 AM
No recon tenents?
I think that's because there's really nothing special about the weapon and it only makes a good secondary at best. Plus, (judging from my own), it jams way too much, and range sucks. And compared to other blasters, modding possibilities are limited. In short, it's undeserving of its own tenets. This is all just my own opinion though. If you want to make one, go for it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: registered zombie killer on November 11, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
My bro has one and I wanted to mod his for him. Is taking out the ARs worth it?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: boothhenry1 on November 11, 2010, 04:50:30 PM
It is very worth it. The gun gets good range increase.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: registered zombie killer on November 11, 2010, 04:53:30 PM
Is it hard or just really straight forward?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Newbs on November 11, 2010, 05:17:42 PM
Get a drill with a long bit, and shove it down the tube. Simples.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: registered zombie killer on November 12, 2010, 06:11:48 PM
can i just hacksaw and reglue it? Thats what I did with my nitefinder.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Newbs on November 12, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
You could, but I wouldn't recommend it. You could fuck up the tube and make it all leaky.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Heolfrig on November 22, 2010, 02:31:04 AM
Hey Ozy, the Nitefinder image isn't loading. Also, I think the Stampede Tenets should be added as well.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ghost Reporting on June 26, 2011, 08:58:06 PM
Alpha Trooper Tenets:  Add a shoulder stock, and then read the Raider Tenets.

 ;D


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: better_dead_than_zed on June 26, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Alpha Trooper Tenets:  Add a shoulder stock, and then read the Raider Tenets.

 ;D

You are officially my favorite new member.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Eldiahnehpets on December 28, 2011, 03:15:24 PM
I'm surprised that with the advent of the barricade and the rayven there isn't a dual wield tennet made yet.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: teek42 on December 29, 2011, 08:52:04 PM
I'm surprised that with the advent of the barricade and the rayven there isn't a dual wield tennet made yet.
Agreed.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Spaztikko on December 31, 2011, 08:45:25 AM
it doesnt exist because it is hard to do, and can actually hinder you if you need to reload fast. its best to use them one at a time.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: catbarf on January 02, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
I dunno. I've had a couple of moments where, even if I only used one at a time, being able to point a different blaster in each direction would have come in handy. Might be worth looking into.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Mzzkc on January 02, 2012, 03:29:50 AM
What Spaztikko said.

I've had extensive dual wielding experience, and I can tell you straight up it's not a great decision unless your end goal is lulz.

This is coming from a guy who has dual-wielded everything from Mavs, to Raiders, with a bunch of stuff in between.

Here are some of the major issues that occur while Dual Wielding: your accuracy takes a huge hit, even when using stocks properly; jamming issues, attributed to user error, crop up more often; needing to reload will often get you killed.

Honestly, I'd rather go up against a guy/gal dual-wielding Barricades than someone with a single Mav. The guy/gal with the Mav is going to make sure their shot hits, but the Barricade user often fires wildly from a distance without much aiming. Of course, there are exceptions to this behavior. People who have put in the proper practice, for instance, or who use Raider stocks, tend to hit their target more often.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Alastir on January 02, 2012, 01:29:29 PM
I dual-wielded Barricades for my last HvZ game, and I can attest to the fact that it is tough. If you have a squad, it can be manageable, because they can cover you while you reload. 1 point slings are very helpful for dual wielding. I was able to sling one 'cade behind my back while I pulled out darts and reloaded one, then do the same for the other 'cade. I've had a lot of practice with my dual 'cades, so I can reload both in about 10-15 seconds. Still too long for me, so I'm working on that, but since all buildings are safe zones at my school, I can usually duck into a building for a few seconds to reload, or pull out my AT.

I laugh whenever I see people dual-wielding 'cades alone, no stocks, no slings, because I know they're getting nommed the second they enounter more than 2-3 zeds.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cazzums on January 02, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
Think that's funny, then whats someone dual wielding mavericks then? Hilarious?
...or just said breakfast? :P


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: torukmakto4 on January 02, 2012, 09:15:07 PM
I have dualed before, but it was with a Swarmpistol and Banshee (motor swapped 'cade) and that was at a nerf war, not HVZ. I have dualed selectively in HVZ, however. I find that it is not something for everyone or every situation, but given the right weapons and tactics it can be useful. Here's what I have to say:

- Don't count on shooting in 2 directions at once unless you must do that for CQ self defense. You can't watch 2 sight pictures at once, and if you try to shoot at 2 targets at once you will waste lots of ammo. Dualing is useful so that you can have multiple weapons available for different needs, have weapons closer and faster to move on target (because each gun covers a smaller area) and have some measure of backup and increased capacity at the ready. You keep both guns up sometimes, but you shoot at one target at once with one gun.

- Have a way to drop one or both guns for reloading. Holsters, holster hooks and slings work. Don't be afraid to drop one gun and reload. Don't empty non-mag-fed weapons if possible; since you must be holding the gun you are reloading and need your free hand to load, you need rounds to be in it so that you can use it to cover yourself while loading. Do mag changes ASAP. Always, always top off when possible! If you used both guns in a firefight and both are down on ammo, do NOT stop loading when one is full; switch the full one to holster and pull out the low one to load it.

- Wield something worthwhile. It's best to do this by example: Mavericks are NOT worthwhile. First reason is reliability. Dualing them just risks twice the fail if one malfs, because no matter how good your carriage strategy is, dualing WILL be more awkward and clearing malfs is harder. It's also easy to delay recovering from a malf, because you aren't immediately screwed if 1 of 2 guns goes down. Second reason, 6 shots per gun with slow reload is not too hot, and neither is the range. Third reason, because...

- Dual complementary weapons if possible or necessary. In particular, a convenient, reliable high-ROF weapon pairs well with something that packs a punch but lacks capacity or ROF; see my Swarmfire pistol/Banshee combo, the traditional SMG and semi-auto pistol pairing. Such a setup takes advantage of the ability of dualing to mix and match different attributes to cover a wider range of situations. While a midrange 'pede build could do ALMOST what the 500RPM Swarmpistol can do in CQ as far as volume of fire, and do ALMOST what the Banshee can do as far as accurate ranged fire, the jack of all trades is a master of none. That 'pede still can't put up the wall of foam that a real nerf SMG can because its cyclic rate is too low, and its maneuverability in CQ is lacking. At range, it suffers from Streamlines and lower ranges, and since it is FA only it encourages spraying and praying and results in wasted ammunition when used by many humans. My setup is, of course, not a template for what attributes you can combine; you can go in other directions with this.

- Consider avoiding "strict" dual wielding. Dualing doesn't imply that you are one-handing 2 guns with both hands all the time, or even a majority of the time. You can dual only when necessary. A holstered backup that you can pull and fire one-handed without dropping your primary is a useful insurance policy. During last final mission, I ran my Swarmpede with a Swarmpistol holstered on the left. When I needed a mag change and underslung Swarmy reload and the geeks were coming, my strategy was to pull the subgun with my off hand instead of a fresh mag, hose the charge with it, and then deal with the mag change as they retreated.

Hey, did I just write the preliminary dual tenets?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cazzums on January 02, 2012, 09:27:16 PM
Hey, did I just write the preliminary dual tenets?
WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS ALREADY? I declare new thread  :D


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Alastir on January 02, 2012, 10:32:28 PM
Yes, yes you did Toruk.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: catbarf on January 03, 2012, 12:37:09 AM
The big thing I have to add to what Toruk said that he briefly touched upon is that one of the big advantages of dual wielding is that you have two blasters available, even if you can't effectively use them simultaneously. Typically getting surrounded by zombies is very dangerous because it takes time to swing a blaster around to face in a new direction, but if you can point a different blaster in each direction, it becomes much more manageable. You can't use both at the same time, but instead of having to shoot in one direction and then whip around to face another way, you can simply fire in one direction, turn your head to aim, and fire in the other.

Something to think about is that socks are often used as makeshift dual wielding in this fashion- point a one-handed blaster like a Stampede or Barricade in one direction, and keep a sock ready for the other direction. Replacing the sock with another blaster is a natural evolution of this effective tactic. Reloading is a pain in the ass, of course, but having double the effective capacity goes a long way towards making up for it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Markus on January 03, 2012, 12:49:53 AM
Personally I think that integration is a better way of putting complementary blasters together than dual wielding is. You lose the ability to point your blasters in two separate directions, but you gain an ergonomic, reliable system of carrying the second blaster.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: catbarf on January 03, 2012, 01:15:03 AM
Personally I think that integration is a better way of putting complementary blasters together than dual wielding is. You lose the ability to point your blasters in two separate directions, but you gain an ergonomic, reliable system of carrying the second blaster.

I think they each have their strengths and weaknesses. There have definitely been times where I've wished my integration was separate from my primary.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cazzums on January 03, 2012, 01:37:58 AM
I think they each have their strengths and weaknesses. There have definitely been times where I've wished my integration was separate from my primary.
Both good points but IMO, the 2 strongest for both are:
One of the many strengths of integrating-having a free hand if needed without loss of firepower.
One of the many strengths of dual-shooting in 2 different directions.
I personally prefer having my stampede with no integs, considering if I'm about to be flanked I can always QUICKLY draw my SHTF blaster as opposed to swinging around and accidently hitting someone with your blaster(all the while breaking it too!)


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: torukmakto4 on January 03, 2012, 10:34:57 AM
I think they each have their strengths and weaknesses. There have definitely been times where I've wished my integration was separate from my primary.

My solution for that sort of primary/secondary setup: duplicate the integration as a standalone weapon, then dual/carry that with your integration-equipped primary. Swarmpede/Swarmpistol, Nitrocade/Barricade... or you can choose something complementary to both and have 3 options at your disposal at any given time with all the strengths of integration only (ergonomics, free off hand) and dualing (weapons covering 180* rather than 360* and faster to aim, shooting in different directions...) when you need it.

If you are concerned about such a setup becoming cumbersome, it really isn't that big a deal. You end up carrying a rifle-type weapon which carries/handles about like you would expect for a 'pede, etc, plus a sidearm-sized backup.  While my Swarmpede/Swarmpistol setup gives me an anomalous amount of firepower, I do not consider myself "heavy" in any way. My role in the squad is the same as any other rifleman, except that I cause more stuff to die from farther away, do a better job of tearing up charges, and run out of ammo slower.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: strikefire-commando on January 03, 2012, 09:03:12 PM
How About a Creed of N -Force Melee Weapons and a Firefly Tenets? That would be cool


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Spaztikko on January 04, 2012, 04:49:35 AM
melee isnt practiced at all places, and imo, its just a far more reliable mav. my


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ozymandias on January 08, 2012, 06:56:48 PM
I'm fairly certain there is a melee guide already, and not enough people use the Firefly to warrant a guide.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: teek42 on January 08, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
Id like to see a supermaxx/airtech blaster tennent. I feel that they could be great scouting weapons. They have a decent rate of fire and can get very respectable ranges all while remaining fairly small. Just a thought.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Eldiahnehpets on January 09, 2012, 06:11:14 PM
As far what has been already said about dual wielding (I've been dual wielding barricades through 2 hvz games and some hvh games as well) Look at how gunslingers are depicted doing it in the old west. Rarely ever did they fire both guns at the same time. They alternated shots or used whichever gun required less movement to line up the shot


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Vigilante on March 19, 2012, 02:17:42 AM
Heres a thread for Rayven Tenets I found on here.

http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,4299.0.html

Is it good enough to add to the first post?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Briguy52 on March 19, 2012, 09:50:18 PM
Id like to see a supermaxx/airtech blaster tennent. I feel that they could be great scouting weapons. They have a decent rate of fire and can get very respectable ranges all while remaining fairly small. Just a thought.

Yeah, the AT and SM lines were some of Nerf's best. Also, the SM line wasn't too shabby stock (though I could only find megas and no Larami darts).


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Dr Remag on March 21, 2012, 10:08:19 PM
Heres a thread for Rayven Tenets I found on here.

http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,4299.0.html

Is it good enough to add to the first post?

I think it is.  ;D

But really, with my original post along with what other people are saying it really shows how versatile that the Rayven is and can be. Though it is up to what you and others think as I am bias.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: thebestcookie on May 09, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
Somone should make the Sock Ninja Tenets. Because there's a whole bunch of Sock Ninja threads and it would be much easier to navigate.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cazzums on November 21, 2012, 03:11:05 PM
Considering this list has stood test and time for the past 2 years, so many new styles of play and blasters have come out to help us humans fight the tyranistic horde. Thats why, I was thinking as a project for the community in these slow months of winter to redo it with the newest and latest blasters more in depth tactics, experiences, pictures, testimonies(and hopefuly a sock ninjas' tenets?!). Some will be new, and some will be redone to include info not originally included or founded upon posting. Below will be a list of blasters considered for a whole topic of there own to be worked over into the new tenets. Lets get this going guys ;D
If you care to add info, lead a blasters tenet, or participate just list which one(s) and discuss who will be posting all gathered info:

Blasters
Retaliator/Recon
Jolt/Triad(/NF/Panther?)
Rampage/Raider
Stampede
Rayven
Stockade/Barricade


Vortex
Praxis
Pyragon
Nitron/Lumitron

Altern.
Socks
Blowguns

Obviously not every one of these will be done but with a bit of luck(fingers crossed) we will be able to help set up solid and fresh info for new players to this glorious game!


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Masturcief42 on November 21, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
If you care to add info, lead a blasters tenet, or participate just list which one(s) and discuss who will be posting all gathered info:

Blasters
Retaliator/Recon
Jolt/Triad(/NF/Panther?)
Rampage/Raider
Stampede
Rayven
Stockade/Barricade


Vortex
Praxis
Pyragon
Nitron/Lumitron

Altern.
Socks
Blowguns

Obviously not every one of these will be done but with a bit of luck(fingers crossed) we will be able to help set up solid and fresh info for new players to this glorious game!
First, brilliant idea because these were seeing less use then when I started.
Second, I'm willing to redo the stampede one unless someone more qualified than me wants to. Also, as soon as I get some more materials I will be making a swarmpede mod guide that should go nicely with it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Cazzums on November 21, 2012, 04:15:42 PM
Teaming up and discussing with other interested in the same tenet is highly recommended! ;D  Gnome, Skull, and myself are working on putting together a revised blowgun tenets to put up.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Sixth Kira on November 21, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
I can't speak for modded Stampedes, but I can write up some tenets for a stock Stampede if someone's willing to fill in the 'modded' section. I've used a stock Stampede for years and know the way it handles inside out, so I'm reasonably qualified to write the tenets.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Bobololo on November 21, 2012, 06:45:51 PM
I can't speak for modded Stampedes, but I can write up some tenets for a stock Stampede if someone's willing to fill in the 'modded' section. I've used a stock Stampede for years and know the way it handles inside out, so I'm reasonably qualified to write the tenets.

I'm down for some helping out. I'm sure Toruk could jump in as well.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Mr. Three on November 21, 2012, 09:09:58 PM
I've used the Rampage extensively in my most recent HvZ games and can attest to its proper use. It is more like its spiritual predecessor the Raider than different. Less squibby due to more power, slamfire isn't good on the move and still risky when static in terms of jam-causation. Handles great with a Raider stock on it. Needs a three point sling to drop comfortably.

The 25 round drum is spastic until you break it in, stick mags work best. Lighter standard dart and direct plunger mechanism when coupled create a much improved mid-range game (the tag radius of a Zombie is measured as 10 ft. for most of our purposes) so Zombies are less likely to get close than when using the Raider. I hear W-code Streamlines are also ideal to feed in N-Strike Elite blasters. You could always do a standard AR-removal and spring upgrade with reinforcement to the relevant parts but I didn't think it was necessary so my experiences have been with the stock weapon.

Users of this blaster need high rate of fire complements in squad construction, like modded Stampedes/Swarmpedes, sock-tanks or Swarmfires/Rapid-Fire 20s. I've almost gotten overwhelmed at the front lines of a horde rush multiple times with the Rampage, been forced to retreat due to a jam caused by slamfire user-error (but still stunning about ten Zombies prior). This jam usually looks as though the breech was closed faster than the magazine spring could chamber a dart, as the dart tip lodged in the barrel with the tail pinched in half off to the right outside the breech in view of the jam door (looking from the stock forward). Jams typically require a ramrod to clear, and can take a minute or two to fix.

Also there was an attempt to write an ultimate sock ninja thread awhile back that I thought was good until a flame war started. It'd be a good reference for a revised product. http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php/topic,3722.0.html


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: teek42 on November 26, 2012, 01:56:55 AM
Id be willing to add my two cents to a rayven (and stryfe when it is released since they are very functionally similar?) tennent if i can get some time alloted to it. I use my 'ven every game that i am playing to "win", and know its pros and cons very well, as well as which mods are significant to its performance.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Masturcief42 on November 28, 2012, 06:12:41 PM
So I have started on making a noobs guide to making a swarmpede. It's gonna take me some time to finish it/wait for parts to arrive so in the meantime I was going to work on the stampede tenant. Anyone what to help me? I pm'ed sixth Kira about it so feel free to pm or post here if you are interested in helping.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: gnomeofdoom on December 08, 2012, 04:07:21 AM
Just want to make sure this idea of updating the tenets is still in the air and bring some attention to it from the rest of the community. As Spooky mentioned, I'll be more than willing to help out with the blowgun tenets. The semester is nearly done and I'll have some time on my hands in a couple weeks.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: reko0418 on March 11, 2013, 02:48:56 AM
Anybody have any of the newer blasters and feels like they would like to do a tenet on it?  A roughcut, snapfire 8, swarmfire or stryfe tenet might add something new.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: reko0418 on March 21, 2013, 01:08:58 AM
Bueller... Bueller... Bueller...


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Ross_Varn on March 21, 2013, 01:13:24 AM
It's certainly possible that the community's metagame has moved on from scattered tenets in recognition of the individual's skill with their own blasters. I can't speak for everyone, but I think there's a reason we haven't seen any new tenets in a while.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: JPRoth1980 on March 21, 2013, 05:47:04 AM
Anybody have any of the newer blasters and feels like they would like to do a tenet on it?  A roughcut, snapfire 8, swarmfire or stryfe tenet might add something new.

The problem is, there's really not a whole lot to say about any of these blasters.

The Roughcut has no business being used for anything but lulz in HvZ.  Even underslung on a barrel, it primarily adds tacticoolness at the cost of significant weight.

Snapfires are, frankly, what newbies should be buying if they don't want to ever mod a blaster or spend more than $20.  But for the experienced player, the trigger feel is weird and sidearms don't add anything to the game at all--you're much better off with a useful integration so you aren't trying to load and sling under pressure, etc.

The Swarmfire needs to tenets as it is blisteringly monopurpose.  Remove shell, overvolt, spring swap if you're nasty, and use it to spam up close.  Done.

That just leaves the Stryfe.  And the issue with the Stryfe is that it is almost too universally useful, once modified.  Basically, you get long range, good rate of fire, semi-auto for ammo conservation, all in a little pistol-shaped package.  You can't really write tenets for it because the only thing you CAN'T do with it is spam darts into an onrushing horde.  The tenets wouldn't look so much like tenets as they would a mod guide.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Zim on March 23, 2013, 11:16:05 PM
That just leaves the Stryfe...you can't really write tenets for it because the only thing you CAN'T do with it is spam darts into an onrushing horde. 
I typically hate dis-agreeing with anyone,but that is doing the stryfe a gross injustice. I often use a 36 rd drum in my stryfe,plus I hold the stryfe in my left hand pushing down the accel trigger. I then use only my right index finger to pull the trigger. I once shot 9 darts-per-second like this,and when you get good mag changes are super quick.I can typically spit between 60 and 100+ darts if the horde starts 70 or so ft away.Though, I suppose that also depends on the horde in question. And I have put to shame all full autos I've personaly come across with my stryfe. I am known as a "machine gunner" when I use just my stryfe.

In conclusion to my mini-rant,
stryfe+36rd drum+25rd drum+a crap-ton of all kinds of stick mags+skill= DART SPAMMING!
And it is my clearly biased opinion that the stryfe can do anything. If,however, a stryfe tennet needed to be written I think I could a fair job,so long as someone covered motor and battery replacment.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: torukmakto4 on March 24, 2013, 02:04:55 AM
only thing you CAN'T do with [a stryfe] is spam darts into an onrushing horde.

I don't want to beat this to death but I also disagree with that.

In stock form, it's true. However, this is not a question of "spamming darts into a horde", it is a question of very basic HVZ worthiness. A Stryfe with an old style (Pre A suffix) ammo lock simply cannot shoot fast enough to be a viable defense against anything but poorly organized unskilled zombies who haven't played before. Just throw 2 half decent geeks at this human. Zed one, bang, one stun. Zed two, "Oh shit, it's locked up". Human wasted.

But modified? Oh hell yeah it can spam just fine! The Stryfe has one of the nicest stock triggers of any flywheel semi. Even with stock motors (but decent batteries) it will hang with any pede without majorly falling on its face. Motor swaps, you can completely forget about any supposed lack of spam. I am somewhat extreme but my "stryfe" can hold 115fps as fast as I can hammer on it.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: JPRoth1980 on March 24, 2013, 07:15:10 AM
I typically hate dis-agreeing with anyone,but that is doing the stryfe a gross injustice. I often use a 36 rd drum in my stryfe,plus I hold the stryfe in my left hand pushing down the accel trigger. I then use only my right index finger to pull the trigger. I once shot 9 darts-per-second like this,and when you get good mag changes are super quick.I can typically spit between 60 and 100+ darts if the horde starts 70 or so ft away.Though, I suppose that also depends on the horde in question. And I have put to shame all full autos I've personaly come across with my stryfe. I am known as a "machine gunner" when I use just my stryfe.

That rate of fire is certainly impressive, but my own experiences tell me otherwise.  I'm not trying to say a Stryfe is bad, mind you--it is, with a few modifications, the best general-purpose inexpensive blaster you can find for HvZ purposes.  But again, from my own experiences, I have yet to see a Stryfe be able to keep up with a Nitron, Stampede, Vulcan, or Pyragon, which I would consider to be the "dart spammers."

Also, just for the record, if you have a 35-round drum that is keeping up with you pulling the trigger nine times in one second, be VERY nice to it.  That is largely unheard of, which is why you see people using 18-straights for Stampedes.

But modified? Oh hell yeah it can spam just fine! The Stryfe has one of the nicest stock triggers of any flywheel semi. Even with stock motors (but decent batteries) it will hang with any pede without majorly falling on its face. Motor swaps, you can completely forget about any supposed lack of spam. I am somewhat extreme but my "stryfe" can hold 115fps as fast as I can hammer on it.

Your Stryfe is certainly more extreme than any I would expect to give advice on, to be fair.  With Solarbotics motors and 2 Trustfires (which, to be honest, I would consider to be taking the blaster up to the highest level attainable by "most" people), I can fire at a rate of about 4 shots per second without noticeable slowdown, but any faster and things get kind of hinky.  Maybe that counts as spamming and I'm just spoiled by my time using blasters with a much higher rate of fire.  :)

The real problem with the Stryfe, though, is how utterly unworthy it is for HvZ in its stock form.  And it's not just the ammo lock, although that's a huge part of it.  The thermistor in the Stryfe is beefy.  Annoyingly so, to the point where it was shutting the blaster down after a few seconds running at 8.4V.  Admittedly, I wound up stripping everything but the acceleration trigger, battery pack, and (new) motors, but the Stryfe is rather like the Stampede (or the Nitron, but hey, bias) in that they both suck in stock form but are damned useful blasters when fully modded.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: torukmakto4 on March 24, 2013, 10:45:50 AM
The real problem with the Stryfe, though, is how utterly unworthy it is for HvZ in its stock form. ...the ammo lock, the thermistor ...the Stryfe is rather like the Stampede (or the Nitron, but hey, bias) in that they both suck in stock form but are damned useful blasters when fully modded.

Exactly.

Back on topic with the tenets discussion, you brought up some good points about the "jack of all trades" Stryfe and "monopurpose" Swarmfire. First of all, I should note that these are closer than those descriptions imply; both are, in fact, mod-required guns. The Swarmfire, especially, has very little HVZ use outside of modding.

As to "monopurpose" or "tenets would read like a mod guide" being reasons to not HAVE a tenets entry for these, I disagree. This structure exists to inform people on how some given HVZ weapon should be properly used and collect others' experience playing them. If the swarmfire is monopurpose and is best used by trashing the shell and adding a pistol grip or mounting underbarrel for a close range SMG,  then perhaps that should go in the tenets entry for it. Same with the Stryfe; while it may be an archetypal primary of the assault rifle variety, and able to do just about anything equally well with very little in terms of weaknesses, I don't think that means there is nothing to be said on how best to use it. Modding would need to be mentioned. In many ways I think it's a similar situation to the pede, which does have a tenets entry from back when we still did tenets...

On that note...
It's certainly possible that the community's metagame has moved on from scattered tenets in recognition of the individual's skill with their own blasters. I can't speak for everyone, but I think there's a reason we haven't seen any new tenets in a while.

My theory is that we have moved away from writing many new tenets because we have finally got to the point where there is an inherent and unspoken understanding of what makes a good primary. There is sometimes talk elsewhere of how HVZ has been transformed recently (past 2 years or so) by the "rifleman concept" of universal, interchangeable players and the same default role and approach that just works too well to ignore. Notice, we don't see many people doing things like they did in 2010 and prior. Dual mavericks? Recon pistol with 6-round mags? Bolt action LS? What about primarying a Firefly, or a Berserker? I saw 0 of these things in my last game, amongst a sea of Rampages, Alphas, Rayvens, Stryfes, Stampedes, Raiders and very occasional pistol or SMG-only fast-moving types. In general, people nowadays see things with notable shortcomings, and they shun them. Years ago, we tolerated suboptimal in one area for advantages in another, and as a result we needed tenets to help choose a weapon and work along with it.

Specialists now are people who don't need to read tenets to know what to do. Whether they are an ace shot with a blowgun, someone competent in every aspect of vulcan usage and ownership, or a sock ninja... they are exceptions to the rule, dedicated individuals. Not everyday players. And, humans are just... smarter. Your generic humans are not running Furyfires and a handful of squished darts anymore.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Jkfyeung on March 24, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I don't think that human roles are as inherent as we might like. What about the new players who don't understand the level of gameplay that we already have second-nature?


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Katyusha on March 24, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
I don't think that human roles are as inherent as we might like. What about the new players who don't understand the level of gameplay that we already have second-nature?

The thing is, a lot of the newbies may not understand HvZ tactics well at all, but they've probably played enough FPS games to understand the value of a multirole assault rifle.  I think a lot of people would have preferred assault rifles in the old days, but they didn't exist and so people specialized out of necessity since there was no such thing as a true multirole primary back then.


Title: Re: Index of The Tenets
Post by: Zim on March 24, 2013, 08:30:08 PM
That rate of fire is certainly impressive, but..., from my own experiences, I have yet to see a Stryfe be able to keep up with a Nitron, Stampede, Vulcan, or Pyragon, which I would consider to be the "dart spammers."
I can utterley shame any slam-fire I've went up against, same for the stampede. As for the Nitron...THAT'S the ONE exception,as I have not been able to best highly overvolted Nitrons. Stock Nitrons I can handle.

As for lack of tennets, everyone just uses multi-purpose blasters. The ELITE line has royal screwed up any one-weapon-specialist. You want slam-fire? How about AR-15? Tiny pistol? Semi-auto? THEY ALL SHOOT THE SAME! at least stock. Anymore, for anti-modders at least, it's a choice of personal taste. The only reason we should still have tennets is for potential modders. They are the ones who keep the different roles alive. I've seen scouts with any elite, "long-range"-shooters with any elite,and they just swap roles. And as for the stryfe, I can't think of anything it CAN'T do! When modded. I have practicallly memorized "base" human roles,and nobody follows them anymore.