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Author Topic: Blowguns-That other white meat  (Read 113896 times)
skullface1818

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« on: July 29, 2009, 11:09:38 PM »

this is the place to talk about blowguns, one of the most overlooked weapons of the game (in my opinion), but it is one that has it strong points. It has one of the greatest ranges, reliability, durability, and cheapness of any gun in the game. it has a great deal of potential for making it better (someone i know built a shotgun attachment for his blowgun, and i will have to ask him how he did it to post it here), so everyoen share their mods on their guns, and any good stories on how your blowguns kicked ass!! ^___^
ill start off with my blowgun. its has a light electrical taped to its handle, a mouthpiece, and a quick-release sleeve that strap onto my ammo-belt. I can nail someone with 1-3 darts at 50-70 feet away (outdoors), and hit a whole group with 4-12 darts from about 20-40 feet.

we also experimented with condensed air in screw on pcp canisters (condensed with bike pumps) that launched darts about 100+ feet, abit inaccurately. for one, our mod was very shaky on the gun (since it was insanely powerful), it was a dart destroyer (many a dart had their heads blown from the pressure/slamming into walls at huge speeds), was heavy, and was only useful as a fear weapon. was pretty impressive, had a huge bang, and was scary as hell, but because it was impractical we eventually returned the idea, and returned all items to lows (wooot, cash back ^_^)
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 11:39:58 PM »

Woot woot blow guns.

Has any one tried using a air horn in combination with a blow gun to achieve epic distance?
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 12:13:39 AM »

Safety first guys... Unless you're willing to shoot yourself in the face at point blank range, it's a no go (at least in our game)
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 01:52:06 AM »

I use a blow gun myself, ever since I got to use it in a nerf war and bombarded the enemy team with high lobs I fell in love. I'm a singer so I should have a fairly good capacity to put behind the dart and I get comparable distance to what you've described if not a tad bit more. My blow gun is quite literally a 1/2 " probably steel (though doesn't feel quite so heavy) pipe that got found lying around. It's about 3' long so I get plenty of air behind the dart. I've discovered that it is incredibly accurate laterally and I just have to practice my angles for distance/vertical accuracy.

Taggers work best when I'm firing 1 or maybe 2 shots. The velcro on them makes that hair extra snugness inside the pipe that sends them a great deal farther than most darts (next only to the red suction darts which are hard-ish to come by). If I'm firing 'shotgun' style I'll load a tagger to the bottom and then put sonics generally on top. I can fit up to 11 darts in the barrel but if I do that then I really only have an effective range of about 10 feet... but man that zombie's dead :-p I try and load 1-4 darts and seem to get the best results.

I would really really like to make a breach loading method for it, probably with a snug brass tube to close the hole once I've loaded. As it stands I have to musket-load the thing by placing a dart in the top, squeezing the velcro down a bit to get the tip of the dart past the edge of the pipe, and then blow the dart to the back of the gun... takes quite a while for a single shot. Thankfully nearly every shot is a kill so as long as I've got cover I can take down some zombies from a decent distance, slowly.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 10:28:13 AM »

I found a couple of toy blowguns in a cupboard the other day. They have larger than normal suction cup darts, meaning that each only has five shots... It consists of a mouth piece, foam handle and dart-holder that clips onto the barrel. You have to musket load the darts, but thankfully there is a restrictor inside the barrel, stopping you from sucking the dart into your mouth. This means that you can place the dart in the mouth of the barrel and suck it back. However, the distances I've achieved with these really doesn't compare to what you've been describing. 60 feet is probably the max range with these, although any useful zombie would be able to dodge bullets at that range, so it probably means that the effective range is half of that. I'd imagine that this is caused by the fact that it isn't exactly a snug fit inside the barrel. Ah well, the price ticket said £1.99, which I hadn't paid, so I guess you can't expect a lot.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 11:45:25 AM »

has anyone simply loaded their shotguns through the mouth piece and then fired it that way? a person can (with practice) get near-maverick speed by holding 5-7 darts in his had and rapid-loading them through the mouthpiece. sadly, this does leave you a bit tired since you have to shoot so much hair through the barrel.

also, I've never tried to sue metal piping for my blow gun...its interesting that you managed to use tagers. i only was able to use a tager when i was using my air-cannon idea. If my memory serves, it didn't go far and i think it might had broken the dart a little bit (that cannon damaged all my darts a little bit).......obviously the metal 1/2 piping is a bit wider than pcp pipe (or maybe its that the pcp pipe has a thin rubber lining inside of it). That could be the reason why i have never been able to use taggers (the most common, cheap, and overall useful ammo in the game). i also haven't experimented with shorter "bullet" type rounds. The advantages of such darts are that they are 1/2 the price of normal darts (you cut a dart in half, and seal their ends with electric taping, effectively turning one dart...into two). i might head down to home Depo and experiment with their pieing, but that kinda rude......i wont get to use my gun till i get back to my dorm in 3 weeks (i cant wait to get back).

and yea, at close range, full breath power, is a bit strong. but the gun isn't meant to be used that close. Its a long range weapon that is meant for keeping zombies at bay, and making sure that they don't get to close (since they don't know weather the gun is shotgun-loaded). this keeps zombies at a distance, away from the "point blank" shot to the head that some are worried about. we had no problems with it at squad wars, sooooo it is currently a legal weapon in our game. i hope it remains so....its one of the funnest guns to use ^___^
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 08:37:45 PM »

Ok, at Bowling Green, we have been working on blowgun tech for the past couple of years and we also have an elite core of players that are blowgun specialists that use simple blowpipe type blowguns all the way up to my creations. I have been designing blowguns with a realistic flair while a buddy of mine focused on the high powered bicycle pump type dart launcher and even created a dart launcher out of a modified super soaker. But the barrels in BG must be made of pvc according to our game rules.

But, these photos are my personal blowguns I will be using during this year's games.

"Sidewinder" - This has a 2-2.5 foot barrel length of half inch pvc



"Hammerhead" - This has a 1 meter barrel length (maximum length at BG) of half inch pvc




Both of these blowguns have a mouthpiece and have holes drilled in the muzzle of the barrel to reduce tailspin and increasing accuracy

I currently don't have any pictures of my first blowgun that I designed and used during our Spring '09 game. That blowgun racked up 15 stuns in only 2 hours during 2 separate escort missions across campus and all the stuns were over 15 feet away.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 01:25:56 AM »

wow! I am well impressed. I would love to see how you have arranged the mouthpiece/how you load and fire these things if you'd be willing to share some trade secrets. I'm the only one on our campus who has really used blowguns and I would love to show up with a monster like these.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 07:53:50 AM »

I have a special mouthpiece design that uses a 3/4 inch coupler that has been bored out to fit onto 1/2 coupler. I think it works pretty well. I load my blowgun through the mouth piece and relatively fast too. My fastest time is 6 darts in 10 seconds. During the Spring '09 Game at BG, I fired over 400 shots during the whole game. I love that I can fire almost any dart out of this thing. I prefer taggers because the sonic tip on sonic darts make them more inaccurate. I can't fire streamlines because they don't fit snugly into the barrel.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 10:27:08 PM »

So I couldn't wait... I just had to try and make a spiffier looking blow gun than my metal pipe.



This is my first attempt. It's taken a couple hours and a purchase of about $18 in supplies (though a bunch of the stuff I bought wont be used including nearly half the copper pipe which I'm using for the ammo holders and was $5)

Having now built one I have a couple questions: Does your barrel go straight through the "T" pieces or did you cut the PVC and slip them together inside the pieces? If you have cut them, do those spots affect your accuracy/range? Also does the 'muzzle' at the end affect either of those, I have my suspicions that I ought to sacrifice that particular look if I want truer and longer shots. In the middle of the barrel is there another "T" piece under the tape to help keep the shape? As you can see mine bent while taping. This doesn't hurt the flight too much, but it can't help.

I've got several new ideas for a 'round two' at some point now. This gun increases rate of fire and ease of ammo storage which my pipe does not have. On the other side of the coin though my pipe had a longer and more accurate shot. Ideally I would like to combine the two. Also which ammo works best for you? I like the taggers but it has been suggested that sonics might actually perform better.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 11:33:31 PM »

Well, I am impressed at your first attempt. The "T"s and the muzzle are bored out so the pvc barrel runs clear through uninterrupted. The tape over the center I wrapped around loosely because I also noticed it bent the barrel if wrapped too tight. The muzzle and the tape on the center area are more for looks than anything else. I added a pipe insulator to give more comfort and grip on the foregrip area and used tennis racket handle tape on the blowgun handle to also improve the grip and comfort. I am still working on the strap for slinging over my shoulder rifle style.

As for my dart selection, I find that taggers work the best, but I am a salvager too. I will usually grab darts I find laying around since blowguns can fire anything. For me, my list of ammo, best to worst: taggers, suction tip, sonic, streamline. Taggers work great for me and I usually carry about 75 with me when I am on escorts and missions, plus you can get 30 for 8 bucks roughly. Suction tips work the best if you cut the suction part off since they have a wide, stiff head. The one problem I have with sonic darts is the large hole in the head which throws off accuracy a little bit due to drag. Streamlines don't fit snug in the barrel so they don't really work at all.

Also, I found that sticking a length of straw in the hollow part of the dart makes them stronger, less likely to warp, and increases distance by just a hair. I had a nasty problem with firing darts multiple times and warping them over time. I will have more on that after I see how that works this game.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2009, 10:45:59 AM »

ah mike, its about time you finaly posted your beautiful Blowguns!!  i can vouche for BGSniper's craetions and skill. he is an incredible sniper, i have have seen this in action as he has run escort missions with me. as for his toys, i have yet to use one in actual combat but test firing them was more than enough to satisfy me to their awesome power..

also.. one of the reasons he doesnt have a picture of his original creation is because i ended up using it as a crutch after the our final mission, and kinda warped it.. but it held up nicely..
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2009, 11:37:19 AM »

Well, I have finally repaired the Mark I and it is ready for battle again, with some light modifications. I will take a picture of it once I get back to campus and post it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 11:23:06 AM »

From what I've read here it looks like the motivated player is best served by building a blowgun for himself.

My theory on why the taggers work so well:  The little velcro tips actually reduce drag in the inside of the pipe while holding it firmly and keeping it from rattling through the barrel.  That something so rough reduces drag seems counter intuitive, but it's a matter of surface area. All the tiny tips of the plastic velcro that touch the sides of the barrel don't come near to equalling the surface area of say, a suction or a whistler.  With a suction or a whistler, you have a fair amount of rubber rubbing against the pvc or metal, making for much more drag.  It's like rubbing a ping-pong paddle against the pipe.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2009, 05:07:05 PM »

Jesse:

I would agree with you if I hadn't first-hand knowledge that the red (old school) micro darts ( http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NERF-Micro-darts-with-suction-cup-ends_W0QQitemZ290337787727QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item43997b0f4f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ) perform better in my blow guns, if only marginally.

I think perhaps you're on to something with the loose darts wobbling around a bit. I think the main reason though is that a good seal (made with either the velcro bits or the nice seal of those red darts) doesn't allow air to escape around the edges so you can get better pressure behind the dart.
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